i get it, its like when your kids don't appreciate college unless they have to pay for some of it. i think some of the impatience lies with some of us that have paid and paid and paid. for decades. my gateway was when my child was vaccine injured. ive been digging since she was a baby- now she's 27. I dug when we were on 8ch. some of these newbies havnt dug at all. it feels like when we were kids trying to dig a hole to china. i guess we have to keep digging until we get there.