06 September, 06:58
This is going to be THE MOST DIFFICULT part for ppl to understand and overcome!
IMHO!
IMHO!
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wht 2.0
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06 September, 09:05
In response Angels Here -Z to her Publication
Waaaaay oversimplified generalization.
By what definition?
Bible says "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, to keep himself unspotted from the world" James1:27
And you think Satan and the demons aren't "spiritual"?? They ARE supernatural beings inhabiting the spirit realm.
And about these times Paul warned:
:For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light" 2Cor11:13,14
By what definition?
Bible says "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, to keep himself unspotted from the world" James1:27
And you think Satan and the demons aren't "spiritual"?? They ARE supernatural beings inhabiting the spirit realm.
And about these times Paul warned:
:For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light" 2Cor11:13,14
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07 September, 12:13
In response wht 2.0 to his Publication
Well hun you are within your rights to stay in that space. But I myself have been in God's presence twice in my life and I do not rely on the Bible that you know that humans created, I rely on my direct connection to God.
satan and the jesuits have changed some of the original Bible wording also changing the meaning.
Purposefully leaving out sentences that tell us how to connect directly with God by way of the soul and Earth suit He created here for us, and btw only quoting a fraction of it all.
I understand that there were actually over 700 books to what we should know as the Bible.
Not here to debate, I have been with God in my NDE, and have no need to justify anything to anyone.
You have your path and I have mine.
satan and the jesuits have changed some of the original Bible wording also changing the meaning.
Purposefully leaving out sentences that tell us how to connect directly with God by way of the soul and Earth suit He created here for us, and btw only quoting a fraction of it all.
I understand that there were actually over 700 books to what we should know as the Bible.
Not here to debate, I have been with God in my NDE, and have no need to justify anything to anyone.
You have your path and I have mine.
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wht 2.0
@wht
07 September, 01:01
In response Angels Here -Z to her Publication
I know you've said all that before and that's fine but what does that have to do with my particular point? The description of pure religion from Paul is somehow bad? .. or flawed? .. *just* because it's in the Bible and came out of a human mouth?
You don't believe Satan and his demonic retinue are 'spiritual' beings?
The Bible actually teaches us to follow God, not man, when man tells us to do bad or foolish things.
In my experience Biblical Christians practicing 'pure religion' believe and follow that teaching.
Aside from the whole 'Bible's been changed'/'lost books' issues the Bible is still one of the greatest wisdom books that ever was surely?
My point is *religion* can be good or bad depending on how it's *practiced* ... or *defined*. Jesus criticized the Pharisees practice of 'religion'. I've seen "spiritual" people do some really hurtful, even evil things. Done plenty myself back when I used to be "spiritual" but not (certainly not) "religious".
You don't believe Satan and his demonic retinue are 'spiritual' beings?
The Bible actually teaches us to follow God, not man, when man tells us to do bad or foolish things.
In my experience Biblical Christians practicing 'pure religion' believe and follow that teaching.
Aside from the whole 'Bible's been changed'/'lost books' issues the Bible is still one of the greatest wisdom books that ever was surely?
My point is *religion* can be good or bad depending on how it's *practiced* ... or *defined*. Jesus criticized the Pharisees practice of 'religion'. I've seen "spiritual" people do some really hurtful, even evil things. Done plenty myself back when I used to be "spiritual" but not (certainly not) "religious".
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07 September, 07:53
In response wht 2.0 to his Publication
:For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light" 2Cor11:13,14
My point is using passages like this to try to imply that ppl in current times that actually have contact with God in real time traps ppl into a religious box.
Do you believe that he said those exact words?
Do you believe this came from God or a man?
Was this man and his visions of God or from his condition at the time?
If you believe all of his visions they do you believe all the visions ppl still have today?
If you have been in the presence of God and also been in the presence of demons, you know the difference. satan & his demons are spiritual beings, but it is a darkness they carry that they can not hide in that form.
Imho anything in existence can be good or bad, that is afterall the experience experiment. I prefer a direct connection to God not one that I know to be flawd to some
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light" 2Cor11:13,14
My point is using passages like this to try to imply that ppl in current times that actually have contact with God in real time traps ppl into a religious box.
Do you believe that he said those exact words?
Do you believe this came from God or a man?
Was this man and his visions of God or from his condition at the time?
If you believe all of his visions they do you believe all the visions ppl still have today?
If you have been in the presence of God and also been in the presence of demons, you know the difference. satan & his demons are spiritual beings, but it is a darkness they carry that they can not hide in that form.
Imho anything in existence can be good or bad, that is afterall the experience experiment. I prefer a direct connection to God not one that I know to be flawd to some
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That's not what I was trying to say at all though I have known many such people who have had experiences they believe were of God who would describe themselves as 'spiritual but not religious' who do such things. But don't take that personally please I don't know you only from what I gain from your words here.
I do believe people have visions in the present times perhaps even from God at times. But, personally, when they contradict and lead away from the Bible I suspect they are not.
We do seem to agree that everything can be 'good' or 'bad'.
That would include 'religion' imo and whether Paul said those exact words or not doesn't really matter to me or, imo, this discussion.
That is a beautiful description of "religion" and one worthy of practice and adherence. My point being that 'religion' is not a dirty word or concept in and of itself a I felt your original comment sweepingly asserted.
May God bless us both on our further search for Truth
I do believe people have visions in the present times perhaps even from God at times. But, personally, when they contradict and lead away from the Bible I suspect they are not.
We do seem to agree that everything can be 'good' or 'bad'.
That would include 'religion' imo and whether Paul said those exact words or not doesn't really matter to me or, imo, this discussion.
That is a beautiful description of "religion" and one worthy of practice and adherence. My point being that 'religion' is not a dirty word or concept in and of itself a I felt your original comment sweepingly asserted.
May God bless us both on our further search for Truth
10:44 AM - Sep 07, 2022
In response Angels Here -Z to her Publication
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Mary Beth Miskell
@Miskell2024
07 September, 11:20
In response wht 2.0 to his Publication
What if some people as myself, can read the Bible over and over again, but yet still can not ( for some reason ) remember everything I have just read? Some, like myself comprehend better to hearing the preaching better than reading it. Does that mean I have strayed away from God? No. I don’t believe so.
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Mary Beth Miskell
@Miskell2024
07 September, 11:23
In response Mary Beth Miskell to her Publication
No, I do not go to church, but I know I am connected to God, and God is with me.
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wht 2.0
@wht
07 September, 11:28
In response Mary Beth Miskell to her Publication
Absolutely not!
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!" Rom10:13-15
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!" Rom10:13-15
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07 September, 11:12
In response wht 2.0 to his Publication
No harm no foul, but I stay with my original concept. We have been mislead in the church and in much "religion" in many ways, how many no one knows yet, but the overwhelming number of ppl wrapped so tightly in "religion", which I was as well, refuse to see God even when He stands in their path because it does not fit into the mold of their 'religion".
Rather than trusting God and themselves they will even go so far as to think they are being fooled by demons, and will even allow others to convince them that what their eyes see and hearts feel is wrong.
Religion as with anything else can be good or bad, and we will see soon I hope the extent of the hidden books and true meanings, but since NO ONE knows the full story yet of the Books, I will stay with my real connection to God.
In the end it is just you and God. In the end God will still be God, the highest density being in existence that created everything, & Jesus' teachings will still be saving grace & words to live by.
Rather than trusting God and themselves they will even go so far as to think they are being fooled by demons, and will even allow others to convince them that what their eyes see and hearts feel is wrong.
Religion as with anything else can be good or bad, and we will see soon I hope the extent of the hidden books and true meanings, but since NO ONE knows the full story yet of the Books, I will stay with my real connection to God.
In the end it is just you and God. In the end God will still be God, the highest density being in existence that created everything, & Jesus' teachings will still be saving grace & words to live by.
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Vesna Urban-Celovski
@Vesna
07 September, 11:13
In response Angels Here -Z to her Publication
👍🏻👏🏻🫶🏻
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wht 2.0
@wht
07 September, 11:23
In response Angels Here -Z to her Publication
"In the end it is just you and God. In the end God will still be God, the highest density being in existence that created everything, & Jesus' teachings will still be saving grace & words to live by."
Other than that 'highest density' lingo .. ;) ... to that we can share an amen!
Other than that 'highest density' lingo .. ;) ... to that we can share an amen!
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