When I'm trying to explain to normie Christians that Israel is not blameless and perfect; I ask them, "What are your general impressions about the pharisees and the scribes that Jesus encountered in his life?" When they answer negatively, which they must if they've read the NT, I then close the trap and respond, "Those pharisees followed the same teachings then that many Rabbis do now."

Nothing has changed.

This then, sometimes, offers an opportunity to ask if they have heard of the Talmud. Once the normie reads the horrors that are in it; they cannot return to their former illusion.

Then you can segway into how zionism is different than what they've been told.

Well that,
and also what I believe is that the pharisees were not Israelites to begin with.
The pharisees were not the same people.
They had moved into Judah from Idumea and were given permission by the occupying Romans to lead the temples.
As Idumeans, they were merely distant cousins of the Israelites and none were from the tribe of Judah itself, or any of the descendents of Jacob.
They were the descendents of Jacob's brother Esau. Jacob (Israel) was never their father.

Matthew 23 is where Jesus really lays down the truth of them.

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